Lincoln I am impressed

"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/18/2015 at 09:29 • Filed to: Lincoln

400hp, AWD, great styling. It seems to me they are finally starting to move in the right direction. (in all honesty I liked the previous MKZ too.) So what if the engine is probably transfer so is the Evo engine and everyone loves that.

DISCUSSION (70)

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:33

I am very impressed with the 400hp AWD. In a Fusion sized car, it out to be a flat-out rocketship.

But the styling. My God. It’s equal parts “Let’s do exactly what everyone else is doing” and “Let’s make it ugly and awkward”. Outgoing styling was actually quite good, I feel like this is a step backwards.

Hopefully it’s a good enough car to overcome that. I want to like it, especially with those power figures.

Party-vi > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:34

Kinja'd!!!

The ugliest Jaguar I’ve ever seen.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/18/2015 at 09:35

Nah, this is great, they’re merging the Continental face into a brand.

The rest of the car had to keep the same overall shape as it’s an update not an “All new”.

400 hp and AWD, damn man the last MKZ was sneaky fast, this is great.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:36

I can’t get behind anything but the power, and I don’t know how well they’re going to be able to use all of it given the MKZ’s roots. The styling from the front to back just doesn’t flow right and there’s way too much Jaguar in that front end. I much prefer the previous/current design, lack of 400 horsepower be damned.

JR1 > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/18/2015 at 09:38

I too liked the old styling. But I like this styling as well. The Lincoln MKZ has always been a car that has to be judged in person. I can’t wait to see it at Detroit.

And those power figures are awesome. I can't wait to see what the magazines think about it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/18/2015 at 09:38

They couldn’t change the whole car, just the front, it’s a mid-cycle change not a full new car. Oh, and it’ll use that 400 well. Don’t you remember when they swapped good tires on the last MKZ and ran an M5 in a slalom course? The MKZ was a sleeper with the right rubber, watch out for it now.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/18/2015 at 09:39

Just because they have a new corporate face doesn’t make it not ugly.

Ash78, voting early and often > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:41

Is it really already time for a refresh on the Zephyr? (I refuse to stop calling it that)

I really like the current one, as much as it resembles a giant last-gen Civic — in a good way. But this looks like a Chinese upscale knockoff, with Jag grille and Audi headlights. It’s missing a certain uniqueness in the details.

JR1 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/18/2015 at 09:41

I liked the old styling too but I can get behind this. It looks great and the horsepower is is great. 400hp is just about perfect

Speed > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:41

Kinja'd!!!

CalzoneGolem > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:46

My only issue is the headlights and then I could learn to be ok with them.

I’ve seen far worse.

Kinja'd!!!

Rainbow > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:46

Kinja'd!!!

Something seems off here, but I’m not sure what.

Also, the wheels should be spiraling the other direction.

TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:52

Am I the only one who thought this was the MKS replacement? From what I read a few months ago, ford is trying to migrate the Taurus/MKS to an enlarged fusion platform ?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1
11/18/2015 at 09:53

Kinja'd!!!

Needs MOAR grill, lower. (Crude Paint chop). The fact that it then looks like a mix of a ‘60 and a ‘49 on acid is completely coincidental, I assure you.

Kinja'd!!!

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > Ash78, voting early and often
11/18/2015 at 09:59

Still hoping they get back to calling it the Zephyr. It really needs the name change.

http://jalopnik.com/lincoln-is-get…

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > JR1
11/18/2015 at 10:05

I want to like it, but I prefer the old mkz body

Dean Beyer > JR1
11/18/2015 at 10:05

Feels pretty phoned-in to me. Slapping a concept nose on an old and aging model and expecting it to look even more aged is a common mistake with FoMoCo.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1
11/18/2015 at 10:06

Found something for you (off-topic):
http://www.cardomain.com/member/rolling…

Guy has an absolutely legendary FoMoCo convertible collection. Specifically the *4* ‘40-’50 model Lincolns, all in black.

qbeezy > JR1
11/18/2015 at 10:06

Would this bring hope for a Fusion ST?

gin-san - shitpost specialist > Rainbow
11/18/2015 at 10:14

I think it's the fact that that line on the doors (which is really the line the windows follow) doesn't meet up with the line/gap that the hood forms. It looks a bit awkward.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > JR1
11/18/2015 at 10:39

Not bad.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/18/2015 at 10:52

I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Even if your opinion is wrong

lol

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > gin-san - shitpost specialist
11/18/2015 at 10:57

That is poorly done, I’ll agree on that.

But.

It IS a mid-cycle change not a full “new car” that’s why things like this happen. Not giving an excuse, it could’ve been done better, just giving an explanation.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/18/2015 at 10:59

I like this. This is also my motto.

JR1 > Ash78, voting early and often
11/18/2015 at 11:08

In all honesty I liked the pre facelift styling more but how can you not want a 400hp sedan? That is awesome

JR1 > CalzoneGolem
11/18/2015 at 11:09

I agree there is something about those headlights... But with 400hp I can deal with them

JR1 > gin-san - shitpost specialist
11/18/2015 at 11:09

Good point.

JR1 > Rainbow
11/18/2015 at 11:10

I love the look of those wheels.

JR1 > TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo
11/18/2015 at 11:10

I am not sure where you read that. And I know this is a major refresh. It almost could be a totally new car. But I think they are killing the MKS after this one.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/18/2015 at 11:12

If you look at it sides it looks kinda like a modern Tesla when you do that

JR1 > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches
11/18/2015 at 11:12

I do too but I prefer this cars engine

JR1 > Dean Beyer
11/18/2015 at 11:13

It isn’t that old. Maybe three years max? And it has a new powertrain. The days of old FoMoCo are long past

JR1 > qbeezy
11/18/2015 at 11:14

I hope not. I want this to stay a Lincoln specific engine

Cherry_man1 > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:15

What plant is it gonna have because if it’s the same 4cyl as the RS and Mustang EcoBoost Imagine the rally mode with it....

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/18/2015 at 11:15

Holy crap that is an awesome collection. A 41 Continental even!

Ash78, voting early and often > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:16

I guess because the current batch of 300hp cars vs Lincoln’s 400hp aren’t that much different in day-to-day usage...and also because I hate sedans, but I can appreciate them aesthetically.

Literally, if they offered a wagon version to compete with BMW or Mercedes, I’d seriously consider it. But I’ve gotten to the point in my life where trunks just seem like such a cop-out or compromise.

JR1 > Cherry_man1
11/18/2015 at 11:16

3.0 Twin turbo V6 I think

JR1 > Ash78, voting early and often
11/18/2015 at 11:20

If they offer a wagon version I will pay you 1 million dollars

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:20

It makes me weep that his pics all seem to be low resolution. WHY

Ash78, voting early and often > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:20

Perfectly safe offer...

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/18/2015 at 11:24

I know! If a couple of them were hi res I would have a new screensaver

Cherry_man1 > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:28

Really? Is it a brand new powerplant?

JR1 > Cherry_man1
11/18/2015 at 11:29

Yep totally new

Cherry_man1 > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:31

I’m interested.....

greenagain > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:32

I’m up for 400hp, but ruined its nice, smooth styling.

JR1 > Cherry_man1
11/18/2015 at 11:33

It is defiantly worth a look that is for sure

JR1 > greenagain
11/18/2015 at 11:33

I did like the old styling is was unique

Cherry_man1 > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:38

I wanna poke it with a stick and see what it does.

JR1 > Cherry_man1
11/18/2015 at 11:42

I bet zero to 60 is in the mid 4 second range

Cherry_man1 > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:44

Depending on weight, I’m gonna say 4.3-4.2

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:45

File under “silly things I would do if I had All The Money”:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Edelbrock-…

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-LINCO…

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/18/2015 at 11:46

Do it! Do it! (Although it would cost almost as much as the car.)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1
11/18/2015 at 11:50

I’ll definitely keep my eyes open for a budget Six Pack style manifold, because triple twos is just cool. Apparently one for an FE V8 would also line up, but because FE engines don’t have a separate valley cover, I’d have to grind a lot of metal off the bottom to make it fit, probably.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/18/2015 at 11:57

Really? Interesting I never knew that. There is a really good MEL forum that might be able to tell you how to do it.

gin-san - shitpost specialist > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/18/2015 at 12:00

Yeah, it could've been done better but I don't really care mainly because it's not my kind of car anyway, and as someone else pointed out, the wheel "spirals" going in the opposite direction of their intended rotation bothers me more than the adjoining door/hood lines.

qbeezy > JR1
11/18/2015 at 12:22

Pretty sure they’re borrowing it from the focus rs.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1
11/18/2015 at 12:30

It’s possible, though, that my best price will still end up being on a MEL manifold. Other than early squarebird dudes, Mercury dudes, antique ChrisCraft boat dudes, and Lincoln dudes of a limited scope, there’s not a raging demand on for MEL stuff, where there absolutely is for FE. Three times the supply with triple the demand evens out about the same place on the S/D curve.

Anyway, here’s what the Holley Tri-Power setup looks like on such a manifold:

Kinja'd!!!

And on an FE:

Kinja'd!!!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JR1
11/18/2015 at 12:33

A bunch of MEL intake stuff:

http://ford-mel-engine.com/viewtopic.php?…

RallyWrench > JR1
11/18/2015 at 12:35

Kinja'd!!!

This bugs me, it just seems unnecessarily sloppy, as if they forced a BMW E39 hood onto a Fusion. Not an awful looking car otherwise.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Cherry_man1
11/18/2015 at 12:45

400hp/400ft.lbs.

JR1 > qbeezy
11/18/2015 at 13:18

Nope that is a 2.3L engine the one in the MKZ is a 3.0 V6

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/18/2015 at 13:19

That does look damn good. You need to get the MEL unstuck though first.

JR1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/18/2015 at 13:20

Yeah that is on the forum I was talking about. Something I always wished was that the valve covers were decorated. But that is the forum to use to find good parts I think.

JR1 > RallyWrench
11/18/2015 at 13:21

That hood line is a little different. it worked better with the pre facelift.

qbeezy > JR1
11/18/2015 at 13:51

Ah gotcha. Lincoln did l definitely needs a feature out engine that’s uniquely theirs. I agree with that. Everyone sees it as a Fusion, which I hope they can shake.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > JR1
11/18/2015 at 14:42

I like this more. Yeah it’s a bit oddball, but at least it something different.

Kinja'd!!!

JR1 > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/18/2015 at 15:32

I am sad to see the different styling go away. But I am excited about 400hp!

touring the brook - now with ZHP! > JR1
11/18/2015 at 17:23

I like the faux-Continental styling, but it looks like a Seat.

JR1 > touring the brook - now with ZHP!
11/18/2015 at 18:05

I am not familiar with modern Seats so I would not know what they looked like

touring the brook - now with ZHP! > JR1
11/18/2015 at 18:11

Kinja'd!!!